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SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 02:26 PM // 14:26

These IWAY builds are becoming absurd. I am posting about it because I heard that ArenaNet does browse the popular forums for suggestions and input. Im just going to give some personal reasons why I dont like IWAY builds and why they should be nerfed.

Subject: Nerf IWAY, The Flavor of the Year.

First off, There is no strategy to an IWAY build. Most people wont even spam chat looking for a group. This is mostly what attracts people to an IWAY build because its an easy way to find a fast group and actually win. People dont have to use teamspeak and dont have to discuss much of anything. You go in, do your thing, and thats that. People will form IWAY groups and most of them will simply join randomly (Aka Blind Invites). Just about every single build I get into, like rangers or spikers or whatever... youll see some idiot IWAY warrior wanting to randomly join the group... because this is all that person knows and there is no strategy to this build. Im repeating myself now so Ill stop... but I know there are vets who know what im talking about and agree!! We need to speak our minds and let ArenaNet know that we dont approve of the IWAY Builds! Theyre for the noobiest of all noobs who dont speak dont talk and dont plan or strategize. The whole concept behind the IWAY Build is 1 thing and 1 thing only: Rush. IWAY = Zerg Rush. Most didnt tolerate it in StarCraft... and we Shouldnt tolerate it here in GuildWars either. Voice your opinion!!

I vote IWAY be nerfed forever as soon as possible. If only because 75% of everyone in tombs is running an IWAY Setup.

rii · Oct 06, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Its fun for a start. As has been mentioned, its an easy way for people to 'smash face'. However, you, with your unlimited knowledge and skill, will have realised that a basic anti warrior and a smattering of teamwork is needed to rip iway up. Unfortuneatly, this seems to be 'i cant beat it... nerf it' Iway works often, but only against idiots who dont know what theyre doing or are unorganised. There are just a lot of them, so iway wins a lot.

Get soothing images, shadow of fear, and maybe spirit shackles.

Not hard.

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

This isnt a flame thread. I didnt say my knowledge was unlimited, although it seems that you seem to think yours is. In any case, The IWAY Rush is based on rushing the monks, which easily shuts them down. Sure, I can tank as a monk, but then I cant heal my comrades. Sure, I can put up walls with spirits, but considering that most people in GuildWars are as stupid as you are, that doesnt always work out.

In a game where it takes 30 minutes to 2 hours to form a decent build, there is no room for a build which has no thought and no strategy put into it. Period.

Step away from your PC rii. You are obviously spending too much time on it.

My Final Thoughts: If you want skill involved in this game... if you want rank 3 to actually mean something... where people showing their deer actually have skill... then IWAY should be nerfed. It would be so easy for me to ignore the other 3 characters, create an IWAY Warrior, and get Rank3 in 2 days... So easy indeed.

lilith000 · Oct 06, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

What a great idea, nerf a subpar build so that it is even worse. IWAY is great for low rank players to gain fame, and that is why I recommand the topic creator to player IWAY for the immedite future.

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by lilith000

What a great idea, nerf a subpar build so that it is even worse. IWAY is great for low rank players to gain fame, and that is why I recommand the topic creator to player IWAY for the immedite future.

Thats the problem. This game is 75% noobs and 25% common sense. That last 25% is quickly dwindling away. If You consider my solution to be to create an IWAY... then not only are you a noob... but you didnt read or understand a word Ive said thus far.

New Rule to my thread: Spell correctly or dont speak because it shows your stupidity fluently.

Stayfrosty · Oct 06, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Rank isnt a measure if skill.. its a measure of time spent playing which doesnt always equate to a good player. IWAY is fine how it is.. your team should have more than 1 monk.. so if they are all attacking you, your teams other monks should be fine. Again IWAY is so easily countered we wont even go there, stop making thread saying that it should be nerfed

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Stayfrosty

Rank isnt a measure if skill..

So we seemed to have found the problem.. if only we could take our heads out of our asses to find the solution...

Lag Hell · Oct 06, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

theres nothing wrong with iway, it is beaten by certain teams just as all other builds are

Guizzy · Oct 06, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

While I don't like IWAY either, I get the feeling you hate it for the wrong reasons.

You could have read the "IWAY" thread, where I relentlessly explained my reasons to hate it (basically, that since most random PUGs get killed by IWAY teams, the IWAY players farm rank while not getting any better while players that try to make good builds and experiment don't get any rank so they can't try their builds in decent groups). All in all, IWAY is very easy to beat; it's simply that weak build > no build (for PUGs, anyway). It's weak, but it's not nearly as cheap as Ranger interrupt spikes and Spirit spam were.

But I agree that 95% of IWAY teams have absolutely no strategy. If you ever have the chance to get on a decent group; and have the time to observe how they play, you'll see it's quite laughable: they run around the place like ants, then they start hitting targets in the most disorganised fashion. When they notice it's not working; they try to bunch up on the same person; only they were so obvious that this person is fully prepared. They then get nuked, conditionned or hexed (heeeeelllo, Blurred Vision!) before they die.

Effigy · Oct 06, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

FYI, personal attacks aren't going to convince anyone that you're right.

rii replied about your "unlimited knowledge and skill" because you started off the thread by claiming people who use IWAY are all the "noobiest of the noobs". It may have been a little inflamatory, but the same is true of the original post.

The bottom line is, if a build can be effectively countered, why nerf it? If you end up fighting a lot of warriors, bring warrior counters and you should win. If the enemy is as incompetent as you claim, winning should not be that difficult if your team is organized and brings the goods to shut them down. On the other hand, if victory were not reasonably possible even by bringing appropriate counters, then I could understand asking for a nerf. This doesn't seem to be the case with IWAY though, from what I'm hearing.

Lag Hell · Oct 06, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by SirGanksAlot

I vote IWAY be nerfed forever as soon as possible. If only because 75% of everyone in tombs is running an IWAY Setup.

U might then want to note that by nerfing iway, Anet will severly piss off 75% of its players

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Guizzy

While I don't like IWAY either, I get the feeling you hate it for the wrong reasons.

You could have read the "IWAY" thread, where I relentlessly explained my reasons to hate it (basically, that since most random PUGs get killed by IWAY teams, the IWAY players farm rank while not getting any better while players that try to make good builds and experiment don't get any rank so they can't try their builds in decent groups). All in all, IWAY is very easy to beat; it's simply that weak build > no build (for PUGs, anyway). It's weak, but it's not nearly as cheap as Ranger interrupt spikes and Spirit spam were.

But I agree that 95% of IWAY teams have absolutely no strategy. If you ever have the chance to get on a decent group; and have the time to observe how they play, you'll see it's quite laughable: they run around the place like ants, then they start hitting targets in the most disorganised fashion. When they notice it's not working; they try to bunch up on the same person; only they were so obvious that this person is fully prepared. They then get nuked, conditionned or hexed (heeeeelllo, Blurred Vision!) before they die.

Well said. However, as a Ranger myself, I can vouch for us and claim that at least we have strategy. Spirits can form walls and traps are the most strategic things in the game. An R/Me or an R/E can interrupt better than a mesmer, and even shut down a mesmer even if it cant "shut down" other classes or deny energy as efficient. Thats the thing im talking about.....

Soooo why dont we just go back to the days where we take 1 or 2 of each class and remove strategy from the game entirely, this way we can have 2 builds.... Iway... and everything else. Sounds like a great plan to me.

Hope you caught the sarcasm.

Knight of Eternal Darknes · Oct 06, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by lilith000

What a great idea, nerf a subpar build so that it is even worse. IWAY is great for low rank players to gain fame, and that is why I recommand the topic creator to player IWAY for the immedite future.

I agree
I see nothing wrong with it, it's not to overpowered and it gives anyone a chance to get fame and start pvping, maybe if you keep getting owned by crappy iway groups and your complaining about it go find a build to counter it, doesn't it matter if 75%of the people in tombs are playing it, if your so serious about having iway nerfed then maybe you should be just as serious as finding a good group to win hoh, just because it seems like when you said 75%of the people are running iway probably says you have a hard time finding groups for yourself

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

And people running iway builds ARE the noobiest of all noobs. It has nothing to do with my personal opinion... but anyone running a build requiring no strategy, which itself THRIVES on blind invites... and basicly spits at everything veteran oriented about the game.. is infact.. the Noobiest of all Noobiest things. This is simply common sense.

Lag Hell · Oct 06, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by SirGanksAlot

And people running iway builds ARE the noobiest of all noobs. It has nothing to do with my personal opinion... but anyone running a build requiring no strategy, which itself THRIVES on blind invites... and basicly spits at everything veteran oriented about the game.. is infact.. the Noobiest of all Noobiest things. This is simply common sense.

well noobs also wana hoh u no

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Lag Hell

well noobs also wana hoh u no

and everyone else desperately wants to remain sane.

smurfhunter · Oct 06, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

iway is the noobs way of killing other noobs. if you object to the smashing of noobs, you are either one yourself or an over excited fanboy.

Knight of Eternal Darknes · Oct 06, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

[QUOTE=SirGanksAlot]Thats the problem. This game is 75% noobs and 25% common sense. That last 25% is quickly dwindling away. If You consider my solution to be to create an IWAY... then not only are you a noob... but you didnt read or understand a word Ive said thus far.

QUOTE]

You should learn to add percentages before you start calling people noobs, if your so into rangers then you would be able to use strategy for it to beat iway, rangers don't take much strategy either except the beginning of each battle, yeah most groups don't use strategy for iway, but those who do who have good groups usually make it to hoh unlike your lack of ranger experience which is mostly likely 80% from arenas because your complaining about iway being noobish because there isn't much strategy to it and you can't find groups for your ranger to be in

Guizzy · Oct 06, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Knight of Eternal Darknes

if your so serious about having iway nerfed then maybe you should be just as serious as finding a good group to win hoh, just because it seems like when you said 75%of the people are running iway probably says you have a hard time finding groups for yourself

This is exactly the problem. Finding group IS a problem if you're not playing FotM and have no rank. For me too (even more so for me; Water Eles are rare and not so popular); i'm still rank 0, though I've been a valuable asset whenever I've had the chance to get a good group.

I say don't nerf IWAY, Anet: REMOVE RANK AND FAME!

These "noobs" will find no more use in "farming" rank with IWAY. There will be a sharp decrease in popularity of FotM and people will start experimenting again.

No; rank has never been a criteria for anything. I've created the best PUG I've ever seen (we beat 2 other PUG, one being a ranger spike and another balanced, along with one balanced Guild group; lost quite narrowly to a ranked 220-ish Guild Group) without even asking anyone's rank. The best measure of skill is the understanding the player has of his build (always ask a few question before invite; even if you have no idea what a good answer would be. The way he answers is a good indicator). The best way to know a player is NOT a good asset is if he can't even manage to tell you what Elite skill he is packing. Rank is useless. It discriminates, it stratifies and pushes the community into mindless sheeping of FotM builds.

SirGanksAlot · Oct 06, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Knight of Eternal Darknes

You should learn to add percentages before you start calling people noobs, if your so into rangers then you would be able to use strategy for it to beat iway, rangers don't take much strategy either except the beginning of each battle, yeah most groups don't use strategy for iway, but those who do who have good groups usually make it to hoh unlike your lack of ranger experience which is mostly likely 80% from arenas because your complaining about iway being noobish because there isn't much strategy to it and you can't find groups for your ranger to be in

????

You lost me there.

In any case, Im on my monk more than my ranger. Its easier to find groups (as a monk) because, considering how many IWAY idiots there are, its very difficult to find a group and actually win. I dont plan on spending hours and hours and hours just to find a group and get 0 or 2 morale and lose the first battle to some stupid IWAY group that formed in 30 seconds. It is an insult to my intelligence.

I have a Necro/Mesmer, a Monk, A Ranger AND an elementalist. I play EVERY class except those stupid IWAY warriors... so you can kiss it where the good lord split it.

"If youre gonna come at me kid, your @$$ better come correct."